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New Scattergun : Question

Vitals:

  • Stevens (Savage Arms) Model 9400
  • 12 Gauge
  • 3" Chamber
  • Exposed hammer
  • Single Shot (break-open, strange side-lever)
  • Still looking for a serial number... there isn't one visible on the receiver anywhere.

    This isn't an old, rare or high quality gun, but I can't seem to find a lot of information about it on the interwebs (like when it was made, or how many they produced.) Does anyone know more about this gun? All I know is that my granddad bought it (possibly from Sears) at the same time he got my dad a Remington 878 Automaster. The gun is in nearly perfect condition (just a wee bit of rust near the muzzle, and a couple of very minor scratches on the furniture.) It looks like it was shot once or twice max, then put away in the attic.


    (Cross-posted from West, By God)

    Additional: I really need to find out if there is a possibility this gun was manufactured before 1959. Any thoughts? I know the Remington 878 Automaster was manufactured from 1959-1962.

  • Ammo Safety Rules

    I hope someone can help with my question. I do not own a gun but I am definitely a supporter of 2nd amendment and NRA and gun ownership. My question concerns my neighbor who is a hunter. On 2 occassions this past summer I found undischarged shotgun shells in my yard while mowing the grass. I have also picked up a shell in the street in front of our house. I'm certain they belonged to my neighbor but I don't quite know the correct way to deal with this. If the unfired shells are not a big danger then I don't want to appear as some kind of anti-gun looney and cause poor relations with him but if on the other hand he is being irresponsible and endangering us and the children in the neighborhood then I should talk seriously with him. Can someone help put this in perspective for me?

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    A Post-Mortem on Maryland SB.43

    A take on what the proposed (now-dead) assault weapon ban SB.43 would have meant in Maryland.

    Cook County (Chicago) Illinois is at it again

    [crossposted from my new blog at http://outdoorlogic.blogspot.com]

    Not that we're really suprised by the folks in the Chicago area, but I found this on Icarry.org.
    It's a new county ordinance expanding the ban on various so-called "assualt weapons" and features of assualt weapons"
    Here's the text with a few of them highlighted with my comments:

      ARTICLE VI. ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN
      Section 6-1 Definitions.
      As used in Article VI of this Ordinance, the following terms shall have the following meaning:
      (a) "Assault weapon means:
      (1) A semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a large capacity magazine detachable or otherwise and one or more of the following:

        (A) Only a pistol grip without a stock attached;
        (B) Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;

        No more railed forearms and verticle grips. and, could the mag well and mag on an AR-15 fit this? Well, looks like they ban all ARs anyway at the bottom, regardless of features.

        (C) A folding, telescoping or thumbhole stock;
        (D) A shroud attached to the barrel, or that partially or completely encircles the barrel, allowing the bearer to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned, but excluding a slide that encloses the barrel; or

        Isn't this what the foreard grip on an AR-15 is?

        (E) A muzzle brake or muzzle compensator;

        It's not just flash hiders anymore, any muzzle brake..it's out, even on your semi deer rifle

      (2) A semiautomatic pistol or any semi-automatic rifle that has a fixed magazine, that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition;

      (3) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:

        (A) Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;
        (B) A folding, telescoping or thumbhole stock;
        (C) A shroud attached to the barrel, or that partially or completely encircles the barrel, allowing the bearer to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned, but excluding a slide that encloses the barrel;
        (D) A muzzle brake or muzzle compensator; or

        There goes any of the compensated pistols from Glock, Sig, etc. Almost all Open guns from IPSC

        (E) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

        There goes all of those fancy target .22 pistols...yea, they're a meanace to society

      (4) A semiautomatic shotgun that has one or more of the following:

        (A) Only a pistol grip without a stock attached;
        (B) Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;

        Does this mean the forward grip on all semi-auto shotguns? what qualifies as "protruding"

        (C) A folding, telescoping or thumbhole stock;
        (D) A fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; or

        No more "home defense" shotguns for y'all with the longer tube, even without a pistol grip stock etc.

        (E) An ability to accept a detachable magazine;

      (5) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
      (6) Conversion kit, part or combination of parts, from which an assault weapon can be assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person;
      (7) Shall include, but not be limited to, the assault weapons models identified as follows:

        (A) The following rifles or copies or duplicates thereof:
        (i) AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, Misr, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR;
        (ii) AR-10;
        (iii) AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR;
        (iv) AR70;
        (v) Calico Liberty;
        (vi) Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU;
        (vii) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC;
        (viii) Hi-Point Carbine;
        (ix) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, or HK-PSG-1;
        (x) Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
        (xi) Saiga;
        (xii) SAR-8, SAR-4800;
        (xiii) SKS with detachable magazine;
        (xiv) SLG 95;
        (xv) SLR 95 or 96;
        (xvi) Steyr AUG;
        (xvii) Sturm, Ruger Mini-14;

        Yes, now even the Mini-14 is banned. What was that about them not coming for your hunting rifle?

        (xviii) Tavor;
        (xix) Thompson 1927, Thompson M1, or Thompson 1927 Commando; or
        (xx) Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz).
        (B) The following pistols or copies or duplicates thereof:
        (i) Calico M-110;
        (ii) MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3;
        (iii) Olympic Arms OA;
        (iv) TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10; or
        (v) Uzi.
        (C) The following shotguns or copies or duplicates thereof:
        (i) Armscor 30 BG;
        (ii) SPAS 12 or LAW 12;
        (iii) Striker 12; or
        (iv) Streetsweeper.

    Buy a Truck, Get a Gun

    In what I'd consider a fairly balanced news article, I have to ask: How cool is THIS ?

    Of course, not everyone is happy:

    Anabella Hampton says the promotion goes beyond irresponsible with the Nickel Mines shooting fresh on people's minds.

    "I was disgusted with the fact that somebody would actually offer a weapon as an incentive to purchase anything let alone a car," said Hampton.

    But, as a counterpoint:

    A hunter sees it differently.

    "Hunting and shooting is a wide spread hobby in the area that would certainly draw business for both the hardware store here and the dealership," said Hunter Ryan Winer.

    Man oh man, wish I lived in PA.

    Never thought I'd be saying that....

    Before... and After...

    You know how sometimes you just happen to find something you like, and even though you like it just fine the way it is, you can't help but futz around with it?

    Well, I'm that way with my Winchester model 1300 12 gauge shotgun. I bought it a ways back as a basic home defense gun. Here's what it looked like when I brought it home:

    That's box-stock. It's the National Wild Turkey Federation version (hence the "NWTF" on the stock) which is a basic shotgun for hunting, well, turkey; I was drawn to it simply because of the black matte finish and the inexpensive price tag (under $300, new, and it was drilled and tapped and came with a Weaver rail for mounting a scope).

    Here's what it looks like today:

    Modifications include an ATI three-round magazine extension (for a maximum of 8 rounds), Tac-Star pistol grips fore and aft, and a fiber optic sight. Future modifications include some sort of light, heatshield with ghost ring sights, and a sling.

    This is rapidly evolving from a house gun into more of a SHTF shotgun, though. Might be time to find a nice unassuming piece like Bruce got for a house gun...

    (Cross-posted at Toys in the Attic).

    Question of the Day

    What's under your bed?

    Yeah, so maybe I was just looking for an excuse to post this picture.

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